Legislature(2003 - 2004)

01/13/2004 01:35 PM House FIN

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                   HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                       January 13, 2004                                                                                         
                          1:35 P.M.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 TAPE HFC 04 - 1, Side A                                                                                                        
 TAPE HFC 04 - 1, Side B                                                                                                        
 TAPE HFC 04 - 2, Side A                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Co-Chair Harris called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
 to order at 1:35 P.M.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative John Harris, Co-Chair                                                                                           
 Representative Bill Williams, Co-Chair                                                                                         
 Representative Kevin Meyer, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
 Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                   
 Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                      
 Representative Hugh Fate                                                                                                       
 Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                  
 Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                     
 Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                    
 Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                      
 Representative Bill Stoltze                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 None                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative  Jim   Holm;  Representative  Mary   Kapsner;                                                                   
 Representative  Dan Ogg;  Representative  David  Guttenberg;                                                                   
 Senator Gary Stevens;  Cheryl Frasca, Director,  Division of                                                                   
 Management &  Budget, Office  of the  Governor; Joan  Brown,                                                                   
 Chief Budget Analyst, Office of Management and Budget                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 GENERAL SUBJECT(S):                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
            OVERVIEW:OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT & BUDGET                                                                            
                         FY05 BUDGET                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes                                                                     
and handouts will be on file with the House Finance                                                                             
Committee through the 23rd Legislative Session, contact 465-                                                                    
2156. After the 23rd Legislative Session they will be                                                                           
available through the Legislative Library at 465-3808.                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LOG SPEAKER                 DISCUSSION                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                            TAPE HFC 04 - 1 SIDE A                                                                         
000 Co-Chair Harris         Called the House Finance Committee                                                                  
                            meeting to order at 1:35 P.M.  Co-Chair                                                             
                            Harris introduced members present.                                                                
115 Co-Chair Williams       Noted the presence of Representative Jim                                                            
                            Holm, Representative Mary Kapsner,                                                                  
                            Representative Dan Ogg, Representative                                                              
                            David Guttenberg, and Senator Gary                                                                  
                            Stevens.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                            OVERVIEW: OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT & BUDGET                                                           
                            FY 05 BUDGET                                                                                    
300 CHERYL FRASCA,          Commented on the budget provided by the                                                             
      DIRECTOR, DIVISION    Governor. Ms. Frasca introduced Joan                                                                
      OF MANAGEMENT &       Brown.  She addressed the changes as                                                                
      BUDGET, OFFICE OF     recommended by the Governor.                                                                        
      THE GOVERNOR          *Limit CBR draw to $400 million                                                                     
                            *Spend less than FY 04 which must cover                                                             
                            $145 million in increased costs by                                                                  
                               Absorbing $34 million in employer                                                                
                               costs                                                                                            
                               Covering $7 million in merit step                                                                
                               increases                                                                                        
                               Covering $62 million in formula                                                                  
                               programs                                                                                         
                               Covering $42 million in increased debt                                                         
425 Co-Chair Harris         Asked about the "rule of engagement" and                                                            
                            the Legislature asking questions.                                                                 
440 Ms. Frasca              Responded that she could address the                                                                
                            overall plan and let legislators ask                                                                
                            question either during or after the                                                                 
                           presentation.                                                                                      
509 Ms. Frasca              Provided information on the overall                                                                 
                            proposed Budget Plan which will:                                                                    
                            •Control spending                                                                                   
                            •Make government smaller, more effective                                                            
                            •Stabilize revenues over the short term                                                             
                            •Increase revenues over the long term                                                             
619 Ms. Frasca              The Administration's approach includes:                                                             
                            •Policy drives spending decisions                                                                   
                            Ensure public value by Strategically                                                                
                            align resources with mission and                                                                    
                            performance targets set, results measured                                                         
638 Ms. Frasca                                                                                                                  
                            •Target administrative savings first;                                                               
                            cuts to direct services last                                                                      
706 Co-Chair Harris         Asked if there had been a lot of                                                                    
                            administrative savings found.                                                                     
721 Ms. Frasca              Referenced the FY05 General Fund Spending                                                           
                            chart on Page 3 of the handout.                                                                   
734 Ms. Frasca              She added that in terms of general                                                                
                            overall general funding spending, the                                                               
                            current budget is less than the FY04                                                                
                            operating budget was.  The departments                                                              
                            were requested to  target administrative                                                            
                            savings first instead of direct services.                                                         
 844 Ms. Frasca             Continued her reference to Page 3 of the                                                            
                            handout speaking to the placeholders.                                                               
                            When the revenue  versus the spending is                                                            
                            compared, the revenue is short.  The                                                                
                            State is still $75 million dollars short.                                                           
                            If the proposed revenue measures are                                                                
                            approved, the State will be able to raise                                                           
                            an additional $78 million dollars.                                                                
 911 Representative Croft  Asked how the new revenues compared.                                                               
 928 Ms. Frasca             Stated that the new revenues would                                                                  
                            require legislation and there would be                                                              
                            fees for implementing  the regulations &                                                            
                            authority for additional revenues to                                                                
                            bring in the $53 million dollars,                                                                   
                            different from the  $78 million dollars.                                                          
 957 Representative Croft Asked about last year's legislation.  He                                                              
                            thought that the bonding could create the                                                           
                            $140 million dollars.                                                                             
 1008 Ms. Frasca            Replied that the bond proceeds would be                                                             
                            considered general  funds.  The proposed                                                            
                            is a summary of  the general funds only.                                                            
                            The $40 million dollars would result from                                                           
                            AHFC purchasing the State asset in which                                                            
                            the State would receive about $40 million                                                           
                            dollars and would be corporate receipts.                                                            
                            Then it would move to the "other fund"                                                              
                            column.                                                                                           
 1101 Representative Croft  Asked about the Student loan bonding and                                                            
                            if it would affect it.                                                                            
 1120 Ms. Frasca            Responded that they are not general funds                                                           
                            and would be listed  in the other chart.                                                          
 1123 Vice Chair Meyer      Asked about the revenue based on the oil                                                            
                            price.                                                                                            
      Ms. Frasca            Responded that it was based on $24.55                                                               
                            barrel price for FY05.                                                                            
 1143 Vice Chair Meyer      Asked about the production and what                                                                 
                            happens when the price of oil goes down.                                                          
 1202 Ms. Frasca            Acknowledged that when the price goes                                                               
                            down $1 dollar, the State looses $65                                                                
                            million dollars.  The State could reduce                                                            
                            the short fall by reducing spending or                                                              
                            drawing more from the Capital Budget                                                                
                            Reserve (CBR).                                                                                    
 1214 Representative        Questioned the $40 million dollars short                                                            
      Hawker                spending line would correspond with Line                                                            
                            2 under new revenues.                                                                             
      Ms. Frasca            Replied that was correct.  In FY04, the                                                           
                            amount is $27.70.  Department of Revenue                                                            
                            predicts $24.65 dollars per barrel for                                                              
                            FY05.                                                                                             
1325 Co-Chair Williams      Asked how those numbers had been                                                                    
                            determined.                                                                                       
1338 Ms. Frasca             Stated that the Department of Revenue                                                               
                            determines those proposals not Office of                                                            
                            Management and Budget (OMB).  They are                                                              
                            based upon analysis from the previous                                                               
                            fiscal year.                                                                                      
1405 Co-Chair Williams      Understood that in the FY04 budget, it                                                              
                            was projected $27 per barrel.                                                                     
1423 Ms. Frasca             Clarified that was the updated number                                                               
                            from last December.                                                                               
1431 Co-Chair Williams      Thought that was what the FY04 budget had                                                           
                            been built upon.                                                                                  
      Ms. Frasca            Reiterated that $24.28 is today's project                                                           
                            amount.                                                                                           
1460 Co-Chair Williams      Inquired the rational for determination                                                             
                            of these numbers.                                                                                 
1512 Ms. Frasca             Responded that the Department goes                                                                  
                            through a long process to determine the                                                             
                            prices and evaluating the world price of                                                            
                            oil.                                                                                              
1531 Co-Chair Williams      Requested to find out the "rational" used                                                           
                            to determine these prices.                                                                        
1546 Co-Chair Harris        Added that the Department would be                                                                  
                            testifying regarding the price                                                                      
                            determinations.                                                                                   
1609 Vice Chair Meyer       Commented that the Iraq situation will                                                              
                            influence the supply prices.  He agreed                                                             
                            that the Department should provide the                                                              
                            Committee the updated information.                                                                
1638 Co-Chair Harris        Thought that the numbers suggested are                                                              
                            reasonable and that if the price averages                                                           
                            higher, it will be better for the State                                                             
                            of Alaska.                                                                                        
1715 Ms. Frasca             Compared FY04 to FY05, referencing Page 3                                                           
                            of the handout.  She noted that the State                                                           
                            would be down 402 positions.                                                                      
1810 Co-Chair Harris        Asked if those positions had been filled.                                                         
1819 Ms. Frasca             Commented that 60% were vacant positions.                                                         
1833 Ms. Frasca             Some of those positions could move into                                                             
                            an already existing position and would                                                              
                            not warrant a "pink" slip.                                                                        
1902 Ms. Frasca             Commented on administrative savings.                                                                
                            *Consolidate Human Resources in                                                                     
                           Administration                                                                                       
                            *Enterprise-wide IT standards,                                                                      
                            coordination                                                                                        
                            *Consolidate administrative functions                                                               
                            within departments                                                                                
 2056 Representative Joule Asked about the supplemental proposal and                                                            
                            if it was for FY04 or FY05.                                                                       
 2115 Ms. Frasca            Responded that it is for FY05.  She added                                                           
                            that the number for FY04 for $15 million                                                            
                            dollar placeholder.                                                                               
 2145 Representative        Questioned the $31 million dollar                                                                   
      Hawker                difference in other state funds on the                                                              
                                                                   th                                                           
                            fiscal summary released on December 15,                                                             
                            2003.                                                                                             
 2240 Ms. Frasca            Stated that the OMB analysts work with                                                              
                            those from Legislative Finance Division;                                                            
                            they found category differences.  She                                                               
                            offered to provide that information to                                                              
                                                                    th                                                          
                            Committee members. There is a January 9                                                             
                            updated fiscal summary.                                                                           
 2324 Representative        Stressed that there had been a change in                                                            
      Hawker                total spending between the two.                                                                   
 2337 JOAN BROWN, CHIEF     Stated that it related to the Permanent                                                             
      BUDGET ANALYST,       Fund adjustment.  She offered to                                                                    
      OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT investigate that information.                                                                      
      AND BUDGET                                                                                                                
 2410 Ms. Frasca            Continued listing the administrative                                                                
                            savings:                                                                                            
                            *Reduce layers of mid-management                                                                    
                            *Eliminate funded, but vacant positions                                                           
 2540 Representative        Inquired where the funds in last year's                                                             
      Hawker                budget had been placed.                                                                           
 2558 Ms. Frasca            Some of the funding was only partially                                                              
                            funded.  Otherwise, the departments could                                                           
                            use those funds for step or PERS                                                                    
                            increases. They are not allowed to use                                                              
                            that money for something outside that                                                               
                            appropriation or BRU.                                                                             
 2651 Representative        Asked if most of those positions were now                                                           
      Hawker                out of the budget.                                                                                
 2700 Ms. Frasca            Stated that this is the type of "house                                                              
                            keeping" used by the Governor.                                                                    
 2719 Ms. Frasca            Listed the last administrative proposed                                                             
                            savings:                                                                                            
                            *Maximize charges to grants to cover                                                                
                            administrative costs                                                                              
 2739 Ms. Frasca            Referenced the Missions and Measures.                                                               
                            *Strategic framework for each department:                                                           
                            -Mission                                                                                            
                            -Desired end results                                                                                
                            -Strategies to achieve end result                                                                   
                            -Performance targets                                                                                
                            -Measure of success in achieving target                                                           
 2835 Co-Chair Harris       Inquired if OMB had all the missions and                                                            
                            projected measures for each department.                                                             
                            He noted that the legislature is                                                                  
                            "missing" some of those.                                                                          
2853 Ms. Frasca             Replied that they were all complete.  She                                                           
                            offered to follow-up on that information.                                                         
2915 Ms. Frasca             Acknowledged the value of the process for                                                           
                            state services.                                                                                   
2935 Ms. Frasca             Spoke to the Missions & Measures:                                                                   
                            *Ensures public value                                                                               
                            *Strategically aligns resources with                                                                
                            mission                                                                                             
                            *Sets targets and measure results                                                                   
                            *Reports accountability to Legislature,                                                             
                            citizens                                                                                            
                            *Gives managers information by which                                                                
                            program performance can improve                                                                   
3017 Ms. Frasca             Noted that some departments have                                                                    
                            requested more broad appropriation                                                                  
                            authority.  As resources get tighter, it                                                            
                            is important to question the "results"                                                              
                            achieved for the dollars appropriated.                                                              
                            "Checks & Balances" for flexibility.                                                              
3133 Ms. Frasca             New in this year's budget is the                                                                    
                            "prioritizing", which is a work in                                                                  
                            progress.                                                                                         
3212 Co-Chair Harris        Asked what the prioritizing would be                                                                
                            based upon.  He asked if it would be the                                                            
                            value of the service to the public.                                                               
3223 Ms. Frasca             Each department determined that                                                                     
                            individually.  Next time, there will be a                                                           
                            more integrative process framework                                                                  
                            addressing that concern.                                                                          
3257 Ms. Frasca             Referenced the chart provided in the                                                                
                            handout on Page 5 - Spending Per Capita                                                             
                            in FY05 by category.                                                                              
3400 Co-Chair Harris        Pointed out that the largest single                                                                 
                            expenditure for the public in the State                                                             
                            is the Permanent Fund dividends and                                                                 
                            inflation proofing.                                                                               
3428 Ms. Frasca             Replied it was.                                                                                   
3437 Representative Croft Referenced the chart regarding the                                                                    
                            University spending.  Discussion between                                                            
                            Representative Croft and Ms. Frasca                                                                 
                            followed regarding that concern. He                                                                 
                            stressed that the information was                                                                   
                            misleading.                                                                                       
3548 Representative         Stressed that these are general funds                                                               
      Hawker                "plus" the other funds category in the                                                              
                            budget.  He thought that was important                                                              
                            for the University to realize.  All                                                                 
                            revenue generated by the University is                                                              
                            included in the "other" category.  He                                                               
                            thought that was a "distortion". He asked                                                           
                            the general fund per capita number.                                                               
 3743 Ms. Frasca            Responded that is all "public spending"                                                             
                            and that it is part of the appropriation                                                            
                            bill.  She referenced 1975 comparison.                                                            
 3851 Representative        Asked if the Governor was still                                                                     
      Hawker                interested in pursuing HB 325 to transfer                                                           
                            some of those categories back to general                                                            
                            funds.                                                                                            
 3941 Ms. Frasca            There will be legislation.  She noted                                                               
                            that there are other areas where the                                                                
                            proposed budget is making "interest"                                                                
                            investments: Department of Public Safety                                                            
                            *20 troopers, 5 court service officers                                                              
                                Located primarily  in rural Alaska                                                            
 4007 Representative Croft Commented on that budget and the 20 new                                                              
                            troopers.  He questioned  that number.                                                            
 4028 Ms. Frasca            Stressed that there would be 20 more/new                                                            
                            troopers funded in the budget.                                                                    
 4041 Co-Chair Williams     Commented on the 5 court service officers                                                           
                            - replacing the  State troopers in the                                                              
                            rural communities with the court service                                                            
                            officers.                                                                                         
 4119 Ms. Frasca            There are five troopers currently serving                                                           
                            as court service  officers.  That will                                                              
                            "free-up" some money.                                                                             
 4138 Co-Chair Williams     Asked if they would need same level of                                                              
                            training as a state trooper.                                                                      
      Ms. Frasca            Did not know.  She stated that the                                                                  
                            Department would follow up on that                                                                  
                            information.                                                                                      
 4229 Ms. Frasca            Described on the role of the state                                                                  
                            troopers.  There will be federal funds to                                                           
                            help with the Village Public Safety                                                                 
                            Officers (VPSO).                                                                                  
 4305 Representative Joule  Commented that State troopers in rural                                                              
                            Alaska will cost more than they will in                                                             
                            urban Alaska.  He stated that there could                                                           
                            be 3 VPSO officers per 1 State trooper                                                              
                            based on salary.  He asked if the                                                                   
                            troopers would be  going to the places                                                              
                            that where the VPSO's  were last year.                                                            
 4431 Representative Croft  Asked if the proposed budget had restored                                                           
                            the VPSO positions that had been cut last                                                           
                            year.                                                                                             
 4435 Ms. Frasca            Recalled that two of the areas continue                                                             
                            to fund the VPSO's and that one did not.                                                            
                            She offered to follow-up on the status of                                                           
                            the VPSO's reduced in the current fiscal                                                            
                            year budget.                                                                                      
 4449 REPRESENTATIVE DAN    Interjected that Kodiak lost six VPSO's                                                             
      OGG                   last year.  The local community picked up                                                           
                            grants from other  sources to continue                                                              
                            funding those positions.  The community                                                           
                            wants those officers, which was clear to                                                            
                            the Department.  If the VPSO positions                                                              
                            are not being funded, he asked the                                                                  
                            reasoning behind that decision.                                                                   
4539 Ms. Frasca             Responded that Commissioner Tandeske,                                                               
                            Department of Public Safety, would be the                                                           
                            best person to speak to the Committee                                                               
                            regarding these concerns.                                                                         
4603 REPRESENTATIVE MARY Commented on the Public Safety                                                                         
      KAPSNER               Subcommittee discussions and the losses                                                             
                            to the troopers and VPSO's.  She hoped                                                              
                            that with an increase in troopers, a                                                                
                            significant portion would go back to the                                                            
                            village safety concerns.                                                                            
                            She asked about village public health and                                                           
                            the possible loss to public health                                                                  
                            nurses.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                            TAPE HFC 04 - 1, Side B                                                                         
4641 Ms. Frasca             Stated that the Department of Health &                                                              
                            Social Services has been aggressive                                                                 
                            working with other rural agencies for                                                               
                            other ways to finance public health.                                                                
                            Commissioner Gilbert of the Department                                                              
                            should come to the Committee to address                                                             
                            the Department's intent with the rural                                                              
                            organizations and the level of services.                                                          
4528 Representative Joule Asked what would happen when Senator                                                                  
                            Stevens was no longer Chairman of the                                                               
                            Appropriations Committee.                                                                         
4438 Ms. Frasca             The Commissioner is working on                                                                      
                            "earmarked" projects.  He is working on                                                             
                            existing finance structures & federal                                                               
                            programs that allow the State to leverage                                                           
                            money.                                                                                            
4409 Representative Joule Asked if it would be rolled into the                                                                  
                           federal base.                                                                                      
4351 Ms. Frasca             Correct.                                                                                          
      Ms. Frasca            Noted the addition of six criminal                                                                  
                            prosecutors in the Department of Law.                                                               
                            There will be 14 social workers and 7                                                               
                            associate social workers.                                                                         
4247 Ms. Frasca             Continued, commenting on the Investment                                                             
                            in Education funding level:                                                                         
                            *K-12                                                                                               
                            -Fund as provided by law                                                                            
                                K-12 foundation program                                                                         
                                School debt                                                                                     
                                Pupil transportation                                                                            
                            *University                                                                                         
                                 5% ($10.6 million) for Regent                                                                  
                                 Priorities                                                                                   
4133 Vice Chair Meyer       Commented on the "No Child Left Behind"                                                           
                            issue. He asked if any additional funds                                                             
                            had been suggested to help the local                                                                
                            school districts.                                                                                 
 4058 Ms. Frasca            There is not additional money to the                                                                
                            formula in the proposed budget.  The                                                                
                            amount of the decrease was $7.8 million                                                             
                            dollars to the foundation formula.                                                                
 4030 Representative Croft  Asked if there had been an increase                                                                 
                            required of the local contribution.                                                               
 3949 Ms. Frasca            Stated that there was not.  Anchorage                                                               
                            pays 3.5 mils.                                                                                    
 3919 Representative Croft  Commented on adequate funding and the                                                               
                            impact on the local school districts.                                                               
                            The Anchorage School District has had to                                                            
                            make substantial cuts, with layoffs.  The                                                           
                            Administration indicating that they are                                                             
                            adequately funding education is a                                                                   
                            fundamental problem.                                                                              
 3834 Ms. Frasca            Clarified that she did not use the words                                                            
                            "fully" or "adequately" funding for                                                                 
                            education.  Education could never be                                                                
                            fully funded.  It is funded at the level                                                            
                            prescribed by State law.  The retirement                                                            
                            system has added to the burden of the                                                               
                            school districts.  The Department has had                                                           
                            to make priorities.  She   encouraged                                                               
                            discussion with Commissioner Sampson from                                                           
                            Department of Education & Early                                                                     
                            Development regarding "no child left                                                                
                            behind".                                                                                          
 3719 Representative Croft  Emphasized what would be a higher                                                                   
                            priority than education.                                                                          
 3648 Ms. Frasca            Replied not much.  The Governor's                                                                   
                            commitment was to provide the University                                                            
                            with a 5% increase to the degree that he                                                            
                            could.  That was not guaranteed.  There                                                             
                            was a 5% equivalent in the Capital budget                                                           
                            and will be made available to the                                                                   
                            regions.  The Administration has gone                                                               
                            through a "top down review" of the                                                                  
                            departments that will be on going.  The                                                             
                            Administration has not had that same                                                                
                            opportunity with the University system.                                                           
 3538 Representative Croft  Commented on usual capital requests.                                                              
 3522 Ms. Frasca            Currently, there is an expectation that                                                             
                            the University will come to the                                                                     
                            legislative process to allocate funds.                                                            
 3510 Representative Croft  Clarified that was a Governor's                                                                     
                            commitment and not a guaranteed                                                                     
                            commitment.                                                                                       
 3454 Ms. Frasca            Reiterated that this will be a difficult                                                            
                            determination and that it cannot be                                                               
                            guaranteed                                                                                        
3434 Co-Chair Harris        Asked the last time was when the per                                                                
                            student amount was researched to                                                                    
                            determine statewide accurate.  He                                                                   
                            remembered the cost differential study                                                              
                            done a couple years ago                                                                           
      Ms. Frasca            Did not know.  She offered to check with                                                            
                            the Department.                                                                                   
3334 Co-Chair Harris        Commented that it is important to know                                                              
                            that number with facts and knowledge of                                                             
                            the real numbers.                                                                                 
3310 Representative Joule  Referenced the other post secondary                                                                  
                            institutions other than University of                                                               
                            Alaska.  He asked if there would be an                                                              
                            increase for those places.                                                                        
3234 Ms. Frasca             Did not believe that they are scheduled                                                             
                            for an increase.                                                                                  
3217 Representative Joule  Emphasized that there are a host of other                                                            
                            postsecondary institutions that play an                                                             
                            equally important roll in getting                                                                   
                            Alaskans trained and putting them to                                                                
                            work.  It is an issue of parity.                                                                  
3151 Ms. Frasca             Responded that was correct.  There have                                                             
                            been increased dollars in capital budget                                                            
                            for maintenance of the facilities.  There                                                           
                            have also been federal funds for those                                                              
                            programs.                                                                                         
3056 Representative Joule  Commented that time spent on the                                                                     
                            paperwork for federal funds takes                                                                   
                            additional manpower.  He encouraged that                                                            
                            if the funds are being allocated for the                                                            
                            University, the Administration should                                                               
                            consider making funds available to the                                                              
                            other institutions.                                                                               
3009 Co-Chair Williams      Commented on the pupil transportation                                                               
                            concerns.                                                                                         
2950 Ms. Frasca             Commented that last legislative session,                                                            
                            there was grant approval for additional                                                             
                            $500.0 thousand for concerns.  Little                                                               
                            concern has been voiced regarding pupil                                                             
                            transportation.  She offered to check                                                               
                            with Eddy Jeans regarding how the school                                                            
                            districts were doing.                                                                             
2850 Co-Chair Williams      Asked about the exit exam and the costs                                                             
                            associated with management of that.                                                               
      Ms. Frasca            Understood that there was one contract to                                                           
                            manage that for $1.5 million dollars for                                                            
                            the entire state.                                                                                 
2835 Representative         Commented that his school district is                                                               
      Stoltze               adapting to the fiscal constraints of the                                                           
                            budget in creative ways.                                                                          
2759 Ms. Frasca             Spoke to the Investment in Resource                                                               
                            Development:                                                                                        
                            Natural Resources                                                                                   
                            -Oil & Gas Division new positions                                                                   
                                Alaska Peninsula oil and gas lease                                                              
                                Gas pipeline                                                                                    
                                NPR-A                                                                                           
                            -Coastal Management "Permit Portal"                                                             
 2710 Co-Chair Harris       Asked if it was fair to assume that the                                                             
                            Governor supported the Senate's $2                                                                  
                            million dollar request for the pipeline                                                             
                            authority.                                                                                        
 2646 Ms. Frasca            Stated that the Administration had asked                                                            
                            the Authority to provide a work plan.  It                                                           
                            has not yet been received.                                                                        
 2621 Representative Fate  Referenced the NPR-A impact litigation.                                                              
                            He asked about the revenue that the State                                                           
                            "might" derive and lease sale costs.                                                              
 2559 Ms. Frasca            At this point, there is no revenue                                                                  
                            projected.  She offered to ask the                                                                  
                            Department regarding that concern.                                                                
 2538 Co-Chair Harris       Commented on the severance tax credits on                                                           
                            the new wells.  He asked if there was any                                                           
                            new money projected from that in the                                                                
                            proposed budget.                                                                                  
 2517 Ms. Frasca            Did not believe that there were any of                                                              
                            those funds in the budget because of                                                                
                            timing issues.  The Department of Natural                                                           
                            Resources budget has two positions in it                                                            
                            associated with that.                                                                             
 2442 Ms. Frasca            Addressed the Capital Budget:                                                                       
                            *$1.4 billion in all funds                                                                          
                               $124 million higher than FY 04                                                                 
                               $1.3 million Federal funds                                                                       
                                  *$216 million FF for Juneau Access                                                            
                                  *$million for Gravina Island                                                                
                                      Crossing                                                                                
 2400 Co-Chair Harris       Asked if federal funds are provided for                                                             
                            the Juneau access, what would the                                                                   
                            timeline be.                                                                                      
 2341 Ms. Frasca            Explained that it would be a few years                                                              
                            out.                                                                                              
 2327 Representative Croft Corrected the amount provided referenced                                                             
                            by Ms. Frasca.  She corrected that it                                                               
                            would be $1.3 million higher.  The State                                                            
                            portion would be $100 million general                                                               
                           fund dollars.                                                                                      
 2254 Ms. Frasca            Responded that it would be $40 milling                                                              
                            dollars.                                                                                          
 2140 Representative Croft Asked the "pure" general funds.  He asked                                                            
                            if the $40 million would come from                                                                  
                            selling buildings to Alaska Housing                                                                 
                            Finance Corporation (AHFC).                                                                       
2129 Ms. Frasca             Offered to provide that information.                                                              
2120 Representative Croft Asked where the $60 million dollars would                                                             
                            come from.                                                                                        
2117 Ms. Frasca             Dividends, student loan program, which                                                              
                            will cover capital and principal on the                                                             
                            debt.  In response to Representative                                                                
                            Croft' query, she noted that the                                                                    
                            Administration is still sorting the                                                                 
                            information out regarding the                                                                       
                            percentages.                                                                                      
2102 Ms. Frasca             Referenced a slide was not included in                                                              
                            the handout addressing the Capital                                                                  
                            Investment proposed Capital budget by                                                               
                            category.                                                                                         
2029 Representative Croft  Asked what the discretionary capital                                                                 
                            budget was being spent on.                                                                        
2013 Ms. Frasca             Offered to provide that report.  She                                                                
                            noted that there was a "priority setting                                                            
                            process" to identify what to spend it on.                                                         
1959 Co-Chair Williams      Asked how the priorities of the capital                                                             
                            budget had been established.                                                                      
1942 Ms. Frasca             Transportation; limit of dollars for                                                                
                            deferred maintenance needs were also                                                                
                            addressed.  She reinforced that there are                                                           
                            not a "lot of dollars to spread around".                                                          
1900 Co-Chair Williams      Asked about the Juneau Access Road money-                                                           
                            $129 million dollars.                                                                             
1852 Ms. Frasca             The figures were based on what the                                                                  
                            Department of Transportation & Public                                                               
                            Facilities learned from Congressman                                                                 
                            Young's Committee.  She offered to                                                                  
                            provide the bases for that amount.                                                                
1818 Co-Chair Williams      Commented that many amounts have been                                                               
                            proposed for these projects.  He voiced                                                             
                            his concerns regarding the priorities as                                                            
                            determined by the Congressional                                                                     
                            delegation.                                                                                       
1706 Ms. Frasca             Stated that she would confer with the                                                               
                            Governor regarding the priority rankings.                                                         
1630 Co-Chair Williams      Agreed the conversation needs to happen                                                             
                            in the Administration and within the                                                                
                            local scene.  He spoke to the Juneau                                                                
                            Access controversy.  He commented on the                                                            
                            political "fight" within in Juneau                                                                  
                            regarding the concern.  The people have                                                             
                            voted it on; Ketchikan has voted in                                                                 
                            favor.  He did not think that amount                                                                
                            requested would be sufficient.                                                                    
1528 Ms. Frasca             Acknowledged that those considerations                                                              
                            will be considered.                                                                               
1500 Representative Fate  Asked if the Capital would be affected by                                                             
                            the matching that the State may have to                                                           
                            provide.                                                                                          
 1431 Ms. Frasca            Stated it would not.                                                                              
 1419 Co-Chair Harris       Asked what will happen if the bond issue                                                            
                            does not materialize.                                                                             
 1353 Ms. Frasca            Responded what was the legislative back-                                                            
                            up plan.                                                                                          
 1341 Ms. Frasca            It has not been considered with those                                                               
                            thoughts.  There would be a                                                                         
                            reprioritization with making more                                                                   
                            reductions in the process.                                                                        
 1325 Co-Chair Harris       Asked if there was another revenue source                                                           
                            consideration.                                                                                    
 1223 Ms. Frasca            Stated that there are other                                                                         
                            considerations that are being discussed                                                             
                            but the Administration is not yet ready                                                             
                            to provide that information.                                                                        
                            Referenced the Capital Budget handout:                                                              
                            *Leverage   state    dollars   with   bond                                                          
                            proceeds:                                                                                           
                                Alaska Student Loan Corporation                                                               
                                AHFC                                                                                          
 1048 Ms. Frasca            *Way for ASLC to repay state for initial                                                            
                             investment                                                                                         
                            *Multi-year plan                                                                                    
                               $75 million in year one                                                                        
                               $100 million in year two                                                                         
                               $85 million in year three                                                                      
                            *No impact to student loan programs                                                                 
                            *Future loan repayments pay debt                                                                    
                              No draw on state's general treasury                                                           
 1007 Representative Croft  Questioned the AHFC bond proposals for                                                              
                            another $25 & $40 million dollars.                                                                
 946 Ms. Frasca             General Obligation debt authority.  She                                                             
                            addressed the current cost of debt.                                                                 
                            *Road, highway, ferry, airport projects                                                             
                               $977 million in Federal funds                                                                  
                            *Water, sewer, solid waste projects                                                                 
                               $79 million for VSW projects                                                                   
                               State's share financed by AHFC bonds                                                         
 922 Ms. Frasca             The future debt service will be paid from                                                           
                            AHFC up to 15-20 years.  Currently, the                                                             
                            cost of debt is about $50 million                                                                   
                            dollars.                                                                                          
 849 Representative Croft  The State will be paying $2 million per                                                              
                            year in debt service.  He asked why that                                                            
                            was a "good idea".                                                                                
 825 Ms. Frasca             Responded that it was a matter of                                                                   
                            leveraging State dollars, knowing that                                                              
                            there will be savings.  The State will                                                              
                            realize a savings of $30 million dollars.                                                           
                            Current revenue is not sufficient to                                                                
                            cover the State's cost needs.                                                                     
733 Representative Croft Questioned if that was a good idea.  He                                                                
                            asked why the Administration did not                                                                
                            choose to use a General Obligation (GO)                                                             
                            bond run through AHFC rather than a vote                                                            
                           of the people.                                                                                     
707 Ms. Frasca              The Governor's office does not believe                                                              
                            that it could get a piece of legislation                                                            
                            passed for a bill that is that narrow in                                                            
                            scope.                                                                                            
552 Ms. Frasca              Commented on options available such as                                                              
                            selling State land.  This will depend on                                                            
                            the nature of the deals.  Discussion                                                                
                            followed with Representative Croft                                                                  
                            regarding possibilities of reducing                                                                 
                            payments in the future.                                                                           
425 Ms. Frasca              Admitted that she did not know the                                                                  
                            specifics and asked that the Committee                                                              
                            wait until there were proposals                                                                     
                            submitted.  Discussion followed on the                                                              
                            Atwood Building.                                                                                  
356 Ms. Frasca              Added that regarding the inclusion of the                                                           
                            "other $40 million dollars".  The                                                                   
                            Governor is working on other ideas for                                                              
                            providing the amount needed.  She                                                                   
                            identified a "transient accommodation                                                               
                            tax" could generate $32 million dollars.                                                          
242 Ms. Frasca              The Administration is continuing to work                                                            
                            on other ideas. She listed the proposed                                                             
                            $1 dollar per pack tobacco tax; cruise                                                              
                            ship gambling tax; pull-tabs revised                                                                
                            proposal; & shore side guided activity                                                              
                            tax.                                                                                              
126 Co-Chair Williams       Referenced "cruise ship gambling tax" and                                                           
                            referenced his legislation introduced                                                               
                            five years ago addressing that issue.  He                                                           
                            understood that the cruise ships cannot                                                             
                            gamble within State waters, 3 miles                                                                 
                            offshore.                                                                                         
22    Ms. Frasca            The ships cannot gamble within 3 miles of                                                           
                            the port.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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019 Co-Chair Williams       Asserted that there should be gambling in                                                           
                            the State to help with the current budget                                                           
                            shortfall. Ms. Frasca clarified that the                                                            
                            gambling referenced on the chart is                                                                 
                            currently taking place and is not new                                                               
                            gambling.                                                                                         
110 Vice Chair Meyer        Asked about the tobacco tax and whether                                                             
                            the State would continue at current                                                                 
                            funding levels for nonprofits for tobacco                                                           
                            programs, at 20% of the tobacco                                                                     
                            settlement.                                                                                       
 148 Ms. Frasca             Responded [the tobacco settlement] is                                                               
                            different than the tax and that                                                                     
                            Department of Health & Social Services                                                              
                            has targeted about $500 thousand to                                                                 
                            community health grants that can be used                                                            
                            for tobacco cessation education efforts                                                             
                            in the rural areas.                                                                               
 218 Vice Chair Meyer       Expressed his desire to raise that amount                                                           
                            if the tobacco tax passes.                                                                        
 246 Representative Croft  Questioned if the "transient                                                                         
                            accommodation" statewide bed tax made to                                                            
                            a cruise ship would  already be a bed tax.                                                          
                            Ms. Frasca responded  it would and that it                                                          
                            is set at 5% of whatever is charged on                                                              
                            that route.  Representative Croft asked                                                             
                            if the cruise portion would be a per day                                                            
                            amount.                                                                                           
 332 Ms. Frasca             Reiterated that it would be a $5 per day                                                            
                           per head tax.                                                                                      
 414 Representative Croft  Asked if a dollar addition to the                                                                    
                            existing tax would  make Alaska's tax on                                                            
                            tobacco the highest  in the nation.  Ms.                                                            
                            Frasca explained  that New Jersey is the                                                            
                            highest at $2.05 dollars per pack; the                                                              
                            proposed tax would bring Alaska's tax to                                                            
                            $2.00 per pack.  Representative Croft                                                               
                            asked Ms. Frasca about cruise ship                                                                  
                            gambling and pull-tabs.                                                                           
 428 Ms. Frasca             Explained that the pull-tab tax would                                                               
                            increase from 3% to 6% the ideal net,                                                               
                            from 78% to 77%.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
 457 Representative Croft  Continued questioning Ms. Frasca on                                                                  
                            Unrestricted GF Revenues, specifically                                                              
                            asking about shore-side guided tour                                                                 
                            activities.  Ms.  Frasca responded that it                                                          
                            would be a proposed 5% tax on, for                                                                  
                            example, guided kayak or fly-in fishing                                                             
                            trips.                                                                                            
 529  Co-Chair Williams     Inquired about taxes affecting the cruise                                                           
                            ship industry, how  they relate to the law                                                          
                            Congressman Young passed, and what kinds                                                            
                            of services the  cruise lines will receive                                                          
                            in return.                                                                                        
 606 Ms. Frasca             Responded that the State treasury, local                                                            
                            citizens' property and sales taxes                                                                  
                            contribute far more  to the infrastructure                                                          
                            of the ports and harbors and parks and                                                              
                            roads, which benefit cruise ship                                                                    
                            passengers than  the revenue expected from                                                          
                            taxing that industry.                                                                             
 647 Co-Chair Williams      Requested that Ms. Frasca to get back to                                                            
                            the Committee regarding a bill which                                                              
                            relates to the industry tax.                                                                      
712 Representative Joule Asked the breakdown in the bed tax                                                                     
                            between revenues generated from visitors                                                            
                            coming into the State versus Alaskan's                                                              
                            traveling around the State.  Ms. Frasca                                                             
                            did not know if those figures exist but                                                             
                            that she would ask.                                                                               
1051 Co-Chair Williams      Expressed agreement over the innovative                                                             
                            proposed management of State money in the                                                           
                            capital budget.                                                                                   
1159 Co-Chair Harris        asked why the budget does not reflect on-                                                           
                            going labor negotiations and increased                                                              
                            costs.  He asked if a budget amendment                                                              
                            would be added later.  Ms. Frasca stated                                                            
                            that increased costs were included and                                                              
                            that the departments are making other                                                               
                            reductions to cover those.                                                                        
1256 Co-Chair Harris        Thanked Ms. Frasca for the presentation.                                                          
1418 ADJOURNMENT            The meeting was adjourned at 3:25 P.M.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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